Florida Agency Releases Dangerous Abortion 'Rules' (2024)

We just got back from a California trip and had lunch with friends in Palm Springs. They have a company that head hunts for the medical field. SURPRISE, they are having problems finding medical professionals of all types, particularly family doctors to work in the south. They won't do it because of abortion laws but also LGBTQ laws that are on the books or are coming. The way they described it the professionals respond with a "hell no" we won't go there!

The other concerning item I see here and there why do women, I am only including adults here, have no idea about the new abortion laws where they live? I find it deeply disturbing that most of the FL women at the clinics where clueless as well as 80% of TX don't know. I know life is busy but still? Thanks for doing what you do.

Could not some medical association sue to keep politicians from telling them how to do their work? I can think of no field other than female reproduction where politicians make laws that supersede the judgement of medical professionals. I mean, it would take courage, but it ought to be possible.

This guy is Secretary of the agency, ffs; I imagine he was appointed by DeathSantis:

"Jason Weida has extensive experience working on Article III judicial nominations. In 2018, he served on a secondment to DOJ’s Office of Legal Policy (OLP) to assist in the confirmation of Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to be as Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. For his role, in 2019, he received the Attorney General’s Award for Distinguished Service, DOJ’s second-highest award for employee performance. In 2019, he served on a detail to OLP, where he worked on policy initiatives and judicial nominations."

https://ahca.myflorida.com/agency-administration/about-the-secretary

I keep wondering just who in this state health care administration is setting these standards. Are they licensed physicians? Or are they just civilians practicing medicine without a license?

Good article from Religion Dispatches talking about life during the Comstock Act. https://rb.gy/pwag5l

Women hold no value in the bible, especially the Old Testament. These radical extremists, Christian Taliban hate us, it is our job to suffer because we brought sin into this world in the Garden of Eden. And there are plenty of women in these extreme organizations who have been indoctrinated into this as well.

And then there are others who are simply just obsessed, they have an embryo and fetus fetish (I might even call it a mental illness) ...... their fetish; as if living in a pregnant woman's womb is a 7-year-old kid that might be aborted when he should be out skateboarding instead.

It doesn't help that inaccurate pictorials of zygote/embryo/fetus progression make it look like for example a 12 week embryo is a perfectly formed miniature human when in fact that isn't at all what it looks like. Or the fake science six week heartbeat.

From a previous comment to AED by Paul Pikowsky that illustrates their Death Cult, he said it best:

"The fetus becomes the cult object, with no independent existence except in the minds of the cult. The c-section, once an emergency procedure in the interest of a woman, becomes a cult ritual, spilling the host's blood to fortify the weak convictions of the believers"

Semantics are very cunning. Ending a pregnancy is heath care for that person no matter what the circ*mstances. They should demonstrate compassion and evidence based solutions.

Just saying, as listed on their site, the person to contact regarding these new healthcare procedures is

Kelli Fillyaw at Agency for Health Care Administration, Division of Health Care Policy and Oversight, Bureau of Health Facility Regulation, 2727 Mahan Drive, MS# 28A, Tallahassee, FL 32308,

email Kelli.Fillyaw@ahca.myflorida.com or phone 850-412-4442

The vast majority of men, but also sadly many women, do not know enough about women's bodies, pregnancy, or medical procedures, to understand why these rules are so threatening to women's lives and health. Only the stories of the fates that have befallen individual women seem to break through. (And then of course they argue that it is not systematic, nor deliberately so.)

The very same people that have ensured that the quality of sex education is so poor (or nonexistent) are now seeking to take advantage of that fact. All for the sake of noxious religious beliefs. The 'reality' they want to impose is so bizarre and painful.

It’s frightening how well this PR works in the conservative news bubble. I was genuinely shocked when Jessa Duggar (staunchly anti-choice) publicly talked about her D&C and didn’t realize that she had an abortion. She and her spouse lashed out at everyone for pointing it out, said we were fearmongering with a baby killing agenda. That’s when I realized how misinformed they are. Those women really think there’s some special category for them and they won’t be affected, only the “bad” women will be punished. It’s chilling to see Florida leaning into that ignorance. If only we could reach them.

It sickens me how they are manipulating language in such a way in order to score political points with womens’ lives. Seeing language used and twisted like this to hurt other people in order to push a narrative agenda the majority of people in this country do not want makes me want to vomit.

It’s not what they are saying but what they are NOT saying. “women will be sent home” means we are supposed to think “oh, she’s ok if we’re not admitting her because obviously we would if it were a real emergency” when we all know that really means a women with pregnancy-related emergency symptoms are being denied care because physicians are too scared to practice medicine for fear of prosecution because *gasp* the woman might need an abortion.

These yahoos need to stop thinking they know better than professionally trained and licensed medical professionals. The gall of their superiority over others never fails to astonish me.

This is how our bodies are sold for votes.

This is so disgusting for so many reasons but what really stands out to me is how Republicans reject medicine and science when it allows women to avoid the damage pregnancy causes to the body EVEN when there’s no hope of a live birth. They are forcing women to engage in labor (which is a violent process even when there’s no long term damage - and obviously in some cases results in long term physical disability) or undergo a major abdominal surgery when medicine has developed techniques that significantly reduce the harm to the woman. But republicans apparently think women shouldn’t benefit from science, they should suck it up because God says it’s their purpose in life. Medical advancements are for men (ie first class citizens). I want to see lawsuits challenging this and pointing out how a parent cannot be forced to undergo surgery to save their child (donate an organ, blood, etc) so how is it the law can force a woman to have a c section to preserve the body of a dying fetus? It’s bonkers to say that somehow the analysis changes because the fetus is inside the woman.

This is so infuriating. Not surprising, but infuriating. I forget the last time I went through a whole day without chanting... yeah, better not write that.

No matter how much forced birthers project their dishonesty onto their scapegoats, it won't magically transfer. Nottoway mention: Projecting and gaslighting are narcissist/sociopath red flags.

Thank you Jessica. This abortion ban crap is like I’m living in the Twilight Zone. Let the doctors do their job! 🤨

I am confused by this paragraph which i have read, and re-read. what am i not getting here? thanks.

As you know, the GOP has been systematically redefining ‘abortion’ to exclude miscarriage treatment and treatment for ectopic pregnancies, an attempt to divorce abortion from healthcare. In the AHCA’s guidelines, they do just that—writing that it “does not constitute an abortion” if doctors end an ectopic pregnancy, for example.

I'm struggling not to throw up. This is Nazi experiment sh*t.